.... Elis James spoke very interestingly about the tricky task of telling the same joke in English and Welsh ..... often, for example, the punchline would fall a bit flat because the literal translation used a word which had a lesser impact ... too weak-sounding for example.
Anyhow, I'm telling you all this because you can get them on listen again.
These days you need to "sign in" to use it, but it is easy to do .
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And now, the music ... an "unusual" version of "Pwdin Wy 2" .... Gruff Rhys ....